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What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Oct 11 2015 10:48am
by LockH
Seen here, for example:
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-dif ... ectric.htm
there is a subtle difference between the correct usage of each word.
and "Electric has to do with the general concept of electricity."

and "... electronic is a term that is descriptive of devices that are powered by electricity."

Anyway... after using electricity all my life this question occurred to me in reading this instructables "12V-180kV: A Battery Powered Marx Generator (and introduction to electronics)"

... and until now zero mention of the "Marx Generator" on ES either, that I could find.

Tks :)
L

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Oct 11 2015 11:31am
by spinningmagnets
I don't know the proper differences between electronic and electric, but as an outside observer, I would say that the common brushless ebike controller is stuffed full of electronic components, but a simple brushed controller could (in my mind) be comfortably called an electrical device. Perhaps it has to do with the processing of inputs and outputs using low voltage in a programmable chip?

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Oct 11 2015 11:49am
by LockH
Hehe... Ya. We tap about "electric bikes" when it seems we're more about "electronic bikes". Amusing.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Oct 12 2015 6:50am
by spinningmagnets
This may be splitting hairs, but by my definition, the brushless ebike hub-motor is "electric", but the hall sensors are "electronic", and...the controllers are electronic devices, whether sensored or sensorless...

The battery is electric, but the BMS is electronic?...

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Oct 12 2015 6:34pm
by cal3thousand
To me, if there are logic devices within the electrical, then it is electronic.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Aug 03 2016 9:13am
by pgpete
Electrical systems are about electric energy systems used to produce and distribute power output

Electronic systems are about electronics designed used to produce, process and distribute information.

Electrical systems use electronics . ( and vice versa. )

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Aug 03 2016 5:06pm
by RLT
cal3thousand wrote:To me, if there are logic devices within the electrical, then it is electronic.
Yep. That is pretty much the way I always thought about it. If it uses old school vacuum tubes or semiconductors it is electronic.

If it is only wires, and/or any combination of mechanical switches , resistors capacitors and inductors, it is just electric..

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Jan 31 2020 5:17pm
by Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh
the real actual Electronics is called Chemistry full stop

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 05 2020 9:29pm
by smoko
An electrician minimises resistances to gain the most efficient transmission.
An electronics technician plays with resistances to achieve the desired circuit.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 06 2020 10:53am
by alan
Toorbough ULL-Zeveigh wrote:
Jan 31 2020 5:17pm
the real actual Electronics is called Chemistry full stop
The real actual chemistry is called physics.

The virtual physics is called philosophy.

The real virtual is called math.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 06 2020 12:47pm
by spinningmagnets
I remember that the higher the voltage, the farther a spark can jump through the air. So...in order to pack a LOT of copper traces on an electronics circuit board or a programmable chip, it is very common to use 5V or 3.3V. I am no electronics guru, so maybe one of the other members can chime in.

Of course with "electrical" systems, we can see very high volts and amps, and significant power performing work. I view a hubmotor as an electrical device, except for the Hall sensors and temp sensor, which I view as electronic (they work with 5V)

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 06 2020 6:15pm
by flat tire
Electric is anything to do with electricity.

Electronics USE electricity.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 08 2020 7:47am
by DogDipstick
flat tire wrote:
Mar 06 2020 6:15pm
Electric is anything to do with electricity.

Electronics USE electricity.
Such perception. Such knowledge. Such helpful. What skill.

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 09 2020 4:53pm
by markz
spinningmagnets wrote:
Oct 12 2015 6:50am
This may be splitting hairs, but by my definition, the brushless ebike hub-motor is "electric", but the hall sensors are "electronic", and...the controllers are electronic devices, whether sensored or sensorless...

The battery is electric, but the BMS is electronic?...
What about SENSORLESS controllers
no Hall Sensors
;)

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 09 2020 5:52pm
by spinningmagnets
I am fond of sensorless controllers, especially as a troubleshooting device. Meaning...if your stock controller suddenly does not work, but a sensorless back-up controller does work, then the motor phases are fine (not shorted due to heat damaging the coil-wire insulating varnish). In that case, the throttle and motor are working fine, but either the controller or the Hall sensors are not working properly.

A sensorless controller is an electronic device, although there is an argument as to whether the MOSFETs are an electrical device, since they work at high volts and high amps.

There have been suggestions to develop an open-source controller that separates the brain-stage and the power-stage, since the brain section would then not suffer from the high heat of the power stage...

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 13 2020 4:00am
by amberwolf
spinningmagnets wrote:
Mar 09 2020 5:52pm
. There have been suggestions to develop an open-source controller that separates the brain-stage and the power-stage, since the brain section does not suffer from high heat.
like lebowski + (insert powerstage here)? ;)

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 13 2020 7:30am
by spinningmagnets
Yes, Lebowski! I also think any inductance from large power pulses can be isolated to the robust power stage, leaving the separate brain-box as cool as possible and inductance-free...

Although, I freely confess I am a noob when it comes to electronix...

Re: What is the Difference Between Electronic and Electric?

Posted: Mar 29 2020 4:56am
by fourbanger
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