The Frey HT1000 - And yes, HT stands for Hardtail! *updated*

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Re: The Frey HT1000 - And yes, HT stands for Hardtail! *updated*

Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 06 2019 11:28am

The slow train from China is finally here. No charges at all, just delivered to the door, extreme packaging which is good and unmarked. Yet to test, but cannot find the config software (with the torque settings page) anywhere, lots of broken links and rubbish. Anyone got a direct link?
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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 11 2019 6:30am

Had the software all along, cannot get smooth no torque settings yet, but sure I will get there. It's long winded unplugging the green cable plugging in the USB, trying a few config settings in the app, plugging back in, test ride, doesn't work, repeat!!

A little disappointed with Frey appearing to supply old versions of the DPC18 display, so I am stuck with 5 levels and the ECO/SPORT mode. I did a bit of experimenting by setting levels 1,3,5,7 and 9 at 20% increments. This matches up to the 5 levels on the display and then I set levels 2,4,6 and 8 to zero assist. Lo and behold, when I changed to sport mode (long press on plus symbol) in each level I got no assist which explains (nearly) how the eco/sport works. Only oddity was that I was expecting sport in level 5 to have no effect being no level 10, but it nearly threw me off the bike, some sort of turbo maybe. Anyway, this was clearly not liked by retailers/customers and the version seems to have been short lived, but maybe there was still lots in stock at the bicycle builders like Frey who needed to get rid of them. Not the version I wanted anyway. Anyone know 100% which displays work with the G510/M620/Ultra. I have 500c mini display on my other BBS02 Bike, I might try that.

Everything else seems spot on, I ordered the SRAM 10-42 11 speed cassette to replace my 11-46 as I don't do loads of off-road hill climbing and this is cheaper and simpler than upping the chainring and chain length for an extra 10% gearing. Even the Tektro brakes I didn't upgrade are pretty good and they have built in cutouts.

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Re: The Frey HT1000 - And yes, HT stands for Hardtail! *updated*

Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 11 2019 8:51am

Seem to have a torque page settings which mimic 'no torque' i.e. cadence assist like BBSxx motors, which suits me and my pathetic lungs. Need longer test ride to confirm. Also upped the "Time to Stop" and "Stop Decay" on the pedal assist page as I now have brake cutoffs, although I suspect the "Stop Decay" is overridden by the same settings from the torque page.
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Post by Tjeska » Aug 11 2019 9:56am

robwalley1963 wrote:
Aug 11 2019 6:30am
Had the software all along, cannot get smooth no torque settings yet, but sure I will get there. It's long winded unplugging the green cable plugging in the USB, trying a few config settings in the app, plugging back in, test ride, doesn't work, repeat!!

A little disappointed with Frey appearing to supply old versions of the DPC18 display, so I am stuck with 5 levels and the ECO/SPORT mode. I did a bit of experimenting by setting levels 1,3,5,7 and 9 at 20% increments. This matches up to the 5 levels on the display and then I set levels 2,4,6 and 8 to zero assist. Lo and behold, when I changed to sport mode (long press on plus symbol) in each level I got no assist which explains (nearly) how the eco/sport works. Only oddity was that I was expecting sport in level 5 to have no effect being no level 10, but it nearly threw me off the bike, some sort of turbo maybe. Anyway, this was clearly not liked by retailers/customers and the version seems to have been short lived, but maybe there was still lots in stock at the bicycle builders like Frey who needed to get rid of them. Not the version I wanted anyway. Anyone know 100% which displays work with the G510/M620/Ultra. I have 500c mini display on my other BBS02 Bike, I might try that.

Everything else seems spot on, I ordered the SRAM 10-42 11 speed cassette to replace my 11-46 as I don't do loads of off-road hill climbing and this is cheaper and simpler than upping the chainring and chain length for an extra 10% gearing. Even the Tektro brakes I didn't upgrade are pretty good and they have built in cutouts.
This display works on a Ultra Max: Bafang 500C

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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 11 2019 10:51am

Anyone know if the 750c or other displays work on the ULTRA/G510/M620 ??

I like the 500c and pleased to know this works, but a little disappointed with the plus/minus buttons, just not enough feel or movement, I'm always moving levels and find that I haven't.

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Post by brake034 » Aug 11 2019 9:18pm

Have you considered the Eggrider system? https://eggbikes.com/eggrider
Looks compatible: https://bitbucket.org/eggpower/eggrider ... patibility

When I am back home from China day after tomorrow I believe an Eggrider is waiting for me, mid September I will have my HT1000 so I can try......
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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 12 2019 5:31am

Had one, couldn't see display in the sun. Shame as I loved programming on the fly. Does this now have the torque page settings for the Ultra??

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Post by brake034 » Aug 12 2019 6:58am

That is what attracts me in the Eggrider system too, the programming on the fly.
For the rest I am over-asked, when I am back to Thailand I may have some more info to share?!
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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 12 2019 12:25pm

According to the Eggrider wiki page and their facebook page, torque settings is not on the app yet.

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Post by Tjeska » Aug 13 2019 9:00am

So is the eggrider a Bafang SW102 display but with Bluetooth programming?

Love the looks of it!

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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 14 2019 3:22pm

Well, I have to conclude the DPC-18 display V3.0 is a lock down device. Some of the ECO/SPORT modes appear to override some of the controller assist and torque settings if you are used to programming the controller with the app, this is not good news.

However, tried the 500C display and while I'm not a huge fan of the Plus/Minus buttons, I love the display and it works brilliantly on the Ultra if you want the programmed settings you specify using the app.

Have to order another 500C now, the DPC-18 V3 will likely be useless on my BBS02 where I borrowed the 500C Display from, but I will try it tomorrow.

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Post by Tjeska » Aug 15 2019 5:10am

Good to hear, ordered a 500c for my future AM1000 :bigthumb:

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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 15 2019 8:59am

ECO/SPORT on the DPC-18 V3 appear to have no effect on non-torque motors, it's fixed five levels equated to my levels 1,3,5,7,9 settings on the BBS02 controller, so it's just the torque page settings this display over-rides in eco/sport on the newer Bafang motors. Maybe I'm being to hard on them, these are the integrated models and they appear to want them locked down like Bosch and co.

Anyone know, prior to contacting Ivy at Frey if their HT1000 rear rack is OEM and I can get it somewhere closer to the UK or it's proprietary and I f**ked up and should have ordered it with the bike.

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Post by brake034 » Aug 17 2019 5:11am

robwalley1963 wrote:
Aug 12 2019 12:25pm
According to the Eggrider wiki page and their facebook page, torque settings is not on the app yet.
There is a Beta version with a.o. a Bafang torque page available according to their FB page and its here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders1 ... 0RW9CT5Urc
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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 17 2019 3:45pm

Richard N wrote:
Apr 11 2019 4:49pm
entropic wrote:
Mar 27 2019 11:56am
Map Paddy wrote:
Feb 24 2019 4:13pm
My bike arrived safely and am loving it ,just at higher speeds not much input from cycling want to fit larger front chainring anyone know what's the largest that will fit or can I get offset any ideas
Map Paddy,

I did a bunch of eyeballing and some haphazard measuring and then ordered a Stone 48T narrow-wide 130BCD chainring from "Sports goods stores" on AliExpress. It was about $50 and arrived to my door in 3 weeks.

I mounted it this morning and it fits great. You miiiiiigght be able to fit a 50T but I wouldn't take the gamble; it wouldn't surprise me if 48T is as big as it gets on this bike. A couple pics:

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I will probably plan to length the chain at some point but for now I can shift into all gears but the granny rear gear is a tight fit. It's aluminum, and the 40T that came on my HT1000 must be steel, the Stone is noticeably lighter.

I took it on a quick ride and I think it will be a good improvement for me. With the 40T, the bike had 2 gears: 10th gear was for climbing, 11th was for cruising. :lol: It didn't really have a gear for going fast fast, my masher self was cadenced-out around 25mph. But was able to pedal comfortably into the low 30s on the downhill part of my ride this morning. I should say I only use the bike on the road, mostly for commuting, so the gearing range is somewhat wasted on me. I think I'll still be using the bottom half of the cassette almost exclusively.
Well after being sidelined for about 5 months I'm back and finalizing my order.

I'm curious about which groupset you went with for your bike and the cassette ratio you're using?
Wish I'd seen this post a while ago. Just swapped mine to a 44t and rear to the 11-40t of the same Deore set as the 11-46t that came with the HT1000. I didn't think a 48t would fit, now I will be repeating the exercise. Even with the 44T I'm always in the top 5 gears. BTW anyone tried without the plastic chain guide yet and survived.

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Post by robwalley1963 » Aug 23 2019 9:58am

I got a Wolftooth 50t off ebay for a bargain, which is good, because it doesn't fit the HT1000 by a hairs breath, the odd wide tooth with muck on it gently brushes the chainstay. Used a spacer on BBS02 but that is no good either. After removing bafang lockring and inner chainwheel, the ultra has a recess meaing the spacer/washer difference between ID and OD would be small, making it delicate unless custom made from titanium or something. 48t really is max on this model, which is OK and now we know.

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Post by entropic » Sep 05 2019 5:43pm

robwalley1963 wrote:
Aug 23 2019 9:58am
I got a Wolftooth 50t off ebay for a bargain, which is good, because it doesn't fit the HT1000 by a hairs breath, the odd wide tooth with muck on it gently brushes the chainstay. Used a spacer on BBS02 but that is no good either. After removing bafang lockring and inner chainwheel, the ultra has a recess meaing the spacer/washer difference between ID and OD would be small, making it delicate unless custom made from titanium or something. 48t really is max on this model, which is OK and now we know.
Thanks for doing your part for science and confirming that the 50T is a no-go. I imagine it'd be really close.

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Post by robwalley1963 » Sep 08 2019 12:40pm

entropic wrote:
Sep 05 2019 5:43pm
robwalley1963 wrote:
Aug 23 2019 9:58am
I got a Wolftooth 50t off ebay for a bargain, which is good, because it doesn't fit the HT1000 by a hairs breath, the odd wide tooth with muck on it gently brushes the chainstay. Used a spacer on BBS02 but that is no good either. After removing bafang lockring and inner chainwheel, the ultra has a recess meaing the spacer/washer difference between ID and OD would be small, making it delicate unless custom made from titanium or something. 48t really is max on this model, which is OK and now we know.
Thanks for doing your part for science and confirming that the 50T is a no-go. I imagine it'd be really close.
Sooooo close. I have a flecc of paint missing on the chainstay that requires a magnifying glass to spot and only nicks on the odd wide tooth. Still, a couple of loose chainwheel bolts or twist (it is aluminum on an ultra) and a lot more paint would be removed. I like my 48T to 11/42T setup, works for me.

I have removed the chain guide also and no issues (60 miles so far), not sure why they combine this with a wide/narrow - should stick like glue without the guide.

I now have a Wolftooth 50T and a RaceFace 44T, both 130BCD wide/narrow on ebay.

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Post by shap08 » Sep 16 2019 9:58pm

Anyone have more photos of their HT1000, Im itching to get mine :D

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Post by brake034 » Sep 18 2019 2:07am

My HT being assembled at the Frey factory, perfect color and I noticed the Frey team even added lights.....
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Post by shap08 » Sep 18 2019 6:36am

brake034 wrote:
Sep 18 2019 2:07am
My HT being assembled at the Frey factory, perfect color and I noticed the Frey team even added lights.....
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The Frey team is a great group of people, this weeks Frey event (see the AM100 thread on this forum) is fantastic and an once in a life time experience for the participants I believe.
Looks beautiful, how long ago did you order?

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Post by brake034 » Sep 18 2019 7:21am

My bike is the first HT1000 29er Frey produced apart from the prototype, the front fork had to be ordered especially.

A "standard" HT, AM or Fat will normally take 6 weeks but let me check with Ivy.

Good point to note, every Frey can be tailored to personal taste, it just takes a few emails with Ivy or Grace to get it done!!

In the factory I even saw a few fat rear, regular front tired bikes, I believe for a French customer....

They were with clear coated alu frames, I wonder how a fully polished one looks like....
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Post by brake034 » Sep 18 2019 8:11am

One month ready at the China factory, for one off is confirmed by Ivy.
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Post by brake034 » Sep 25 2019 1:37am

Ready at the factory, awaiting collection for delivery in Thailand in 2 weeks or so, I have decided not to have it delivered in Suzhou China as my work arrangement there is changing currently.

As the Frey factory will close down for the national holiday from October 1 to 7, we hope the shipment will take place this week so the bike has left China before the 1st.....

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Post by Sinbord1981 » Sep 25 2019 12:06pm

BRAKE034 I think your bike looks very nice. I was there with you at the Frey factory on the Exchange Tour event, as you know, and it was perfect sizing for you. The Frey team/family truely are a very innovative and forward looking company. Anyone thinking of buying one of their bikes really should get on board and get their order in. They focus on quality not volume. It absolutely shows in the end products they produce. I have the AM1000 version 5 and it’s an incredible bit of kit.
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