new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by gman1971 » Mar 12 2020 12:35am

I run that controller shunted to 60A, works very well. I did set the phase to 50% and adjusted a few settings to smooth it out and it seems to be less twitchy than the non BT one.

Stock wasn't different from the non BT one.

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A-3 trike, ?-kW, ??+ mph (Cyclone powered) Very fast, ludicrous speed fast...
A-1B trike, 6+kW, 65+mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
A-2A trike 3kW, 50mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoqp0wl6Vo
eB-1C bike 3kW, 42mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Zeddriver » Apr 21 2020 12:58pm

Is the stock BT controller from Sick Bike Parts shunted?
I don;t want to open it up if i don;t have to.
Just finished my build on a Norco Sasquach , 60V battery. 44 36 gears x 8 speed , pulls hard and tops out around 50kph.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by forcefed » Apr 21 2020 8:22pm

Zeddriver wrote:
Apr 21 2020 12:58pm
Is the stock BT controller from Sick Bike Parts shunted?
I don;t want to open it up if i don;t have to.
Just finished my build on a Norco Sasquach , 60V battery. 44 36 gears x 8 speed , pulls hard and tops out around 50kph.
Doesn't look like, the shunt is bare.

Does anyone have any pics of the cyclone mounted on a 100mm bottom bracket? Specifically what spacers/brackets were used.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by pwd » Apr 22 2020 10:16am

forcefed wrote:
Apr 21 2020 8:22pm
...Does anyone have any pics of the cyclone mounted on a 100mm bottom bracket? Specifically what spacers/brackets were used.
Check out my build: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102195 I don't recall using any extra spacers. I think I just threaded the cup into the bike so it was just wide enough to fit the motor bracket. I then used the lock rings on the cup, one on each side of the motor bracket.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by forcefed » Apr 22 2020 11:05am

pwd wrote:
Apr 22 2020 10:16am
forcefed wrote:
Apr 21 2020 8:22pm
...Does anyone have any pics of the cyclone mounted on a 100mm bottom bracket? Specifically what spacers/brackets were used.
Check out my build: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102195 I don't recall using any extra spacers. I think I just threaded the cup into the bike so it was just wide enough to fit the motor bracket. I then used the lock rings on the cup, one on each side of the motor bracket.
My issue is that the spacing on the cyclone mount is 115mm when using the 1/2" spacers beside the idler, am i supposed to bend the thin bracket on the non drive side? If i don't use the 1/2" spacers then it mounts fine to the bb but the chainline is off by 1/2", so then i have push the spindle out half an inch, space out the smaller chainring from the bigger one 1/2", but then i'll need a longer spindle since i need to move it out by 1/2".

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by pwd » Apr 23 2020 4:08pm

I do believe the thin bracket on the non-drive side is supposed to have a slight bend in it. That is what I did with mine.
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2019 Rocky Mountain Blizzard 20
Cyclone "3kw" 13T motor to 36T chain ring then 32T chain ring to 11T-46T Cassette
em3ev 14S5P 30Q or 14S6P 25R pack

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by forcefed » Apr 29 2020 5:09pm

pwd wrote:
Apr 23 2020 4:08pm
I do believe the thin bracket on the non-drive side is supposed to have a slight bend in it. That is what I did with mine.
So here's the motor mounted with the straight bracket http://imgur.com/a/iZlnYoJ the distance between both brackets is around 115mm on my 100mm bb.

I bent the bracket a bit and got this http://imgur.com/a/qgZ7UHk but the motor isn't perfectly square, would this matter that much or am I too paranoid?
Does yours look similar?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by pwd » May 05 2020 8:25am

I went out and checked my setup and here is what it looks like:
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Your bend on the thin bracket isn't quite the same. Your's doesn't appear to have much of a sharp bend near the crank. The motor should be parallel with your bottom bracket so that it has the best chain line possible (from the motor to the chainring). It won't matter too much as long as your chain isn't stressed at an angle.

forcefed wrote:
Apr 29 2020 5:09pm
pwd wrote:
Apr 23 2020 4:08pm
I do believe the thin bracket on the non-drive side is supposed to have a slight bend in it. That is what I did with mine.
So here's the motor mounted with the straight bracket http://imgur.com/a/iZlnYoJ the distance between both brackets is around 115mm on my 100mm bb.

I bent the bracket a bit and got this http://imgur.com/a/qgZ7UHk but the motor isn't perfectly square, would this matter that much or am I too paranoid?
Does yours look similar?
Commuter/Street Build viewtopic.php?f=6&t=98286:
Rocky Mountain Element
Magic Pie 4 front + Leafmotor 1500 rear w/ WCEC 18fet
Samsung 40T 14S7P

Offroad Build viewtopic.php?f=6&t=102195:
2019 Rocky Mountain Blizzard 20
Cyclone "3kw" 13T motor to 36T chain ring then 32T chain ring to 11T-46T Cassette
em3ev 14S5P 30Q or 14S6P 25R pack

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by forcefed » May 05 2020 9:14am

pwd wrote:
May 05 2020 8:25am
Your's doesn't appear to have much of a sharp bend near the crank.
I straightened it out so the motor would be as parallel as it could with the bb and honestly it looks fine to the naked eye https://i.imgur.com/YfAZqri.jpg

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Djadub3 » May 11 2020 11:02pm

I'm looking into upgrading my old 1680w motor to the new 3000, I was wondering if anyone knew a way to elongate the waterproof motor cable, well other than cutting and soldering in wires, like if there is an extension cable I can purchase. thanks

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by electric_nz » May 13 2020 4:48am

Djadub3 wrote:
May 11 2020 11:02pm
I'm looking into upgrading my old 1680w motor to the new 3000, I was wondering if anyone knew a way to elongate the waterproof motor cable, well other than cutting and soldering in wires, like if there is an extension cable I can purchase. thanks
Cyclone-tw web page has cables listed on their bldc motors page, right at the bottom

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Pota » May 13 2020 7:20am

Im considering Cyclone 18kw or the new QS 138 4000watt motor. Someone got any info on which is the strongest?
Im not sure i trust these pages info :)
What about heat generating on these two? Etc etc

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by gman1971 » May 18 2020 5:37am

Well, after building 1 Cyclone powered eBike and 3 Cyclone powered eTrikes, I figured that one more Cyclone eBike wouldn't hurt so my son and I got this one built in under 4 hours, and it works great. Love the new motor mounting angled plate, and the waterproof connectors... It was as easy as it gets, and compared to my first Cyclone eBike build (err... nightmare) from 2015, this one was a breeze. Everything just worked, no bending, etc! :) thumb throttle is a perhaps too big for the handlebar but I have plans on swapping some components etc, to make it all fit nicely. :)

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I am all about high-speed, low-drag, mid-drives and gears...
A-3 trike, ?-kW, ??+ mph (Cyclone powered) Very fast, ludicrous speed fast...
A-1B trike, 6+kW, 65+mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
A-2A trike 3kW, 50mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoqp0wl6Vo
eB-1C bike 3kW, 42mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by electric_nz » May 18 2020 8:53pm

Here is my Cyclone 3000 using the GNG brackets. no before pic but it is a "parts bike" with 26" downhill rims and Shimano parts.

Frame: Brand X HT-01 (73 mm bottom bracket with the GNG bracket bolted to the ISCG mount)
Battery: 14S5P Samsung INR18650-25S in a Reention case, stock Cyclone controller modified to 55A.
Motor: Cyclone 3000 stock with GNG brackets and freewheel etc.

Tried to keep cabling and cable ties to a minimum so it can pass as a factory ebike.

Initial impression: it's like driving a diesel- serious torque off the line, but low RPM. it can wheelie and if you row through the gears has some gnarly speed, but I am wondering if 72V would have been a better choice!
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Tommm » May 19 2020 3:52am

electric_nz wrote:
May 18 2020 8:53pm
Here is my Cyclone 3000 using the GNG brackets. no before pic but it is a "parts bike" with 26" downhill rims and Shimano parts.

Frame: Brand X HT-01 (73 mm bottom bracket with the GNG bracket bolted to the ISCG mount)
Battery: 14S5P Samsung INR18650-25S in a Reention case, stock Cyclone controller modified to 55A.
Motor: Cyclone 3000 stock with GNG brackets and freewheel etc.

Tried to keep cabling and cable ties to a minimum so it can pass as a factory ebike.

Initial impression: it's like driving a diesel- serious torque off the line, but low RPM. it can wheelie and if you row through the gears has some gnarly speed, but I am wondering if 72V would have been a better choice!
Cyclone comes alive at 72v

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by HrKlev » May 20 2020 6:11am

Has anyone tried setting up this motor as direct drive with no freewheel? Does the planetary gears take the load when it is applied the "wrong way"? I have a cyclone 3000w laying around here that I am considering putting on a small kids ATV, so no need for freewheel in that case.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by MarkLeeds » May 23 2020 4:30pm

I've had my cyclone for a a while now and wanted to share my experiences with throttles and controllers. I run a 20s4p 72v nominal battery pack.

- stock - loads of power but the power delivery is very jerky, the controller is large and the throttle is cheap and poorly made.

- I upgraded to a slightly more premium half throttle from luna which was slightly better in terms of build quality.

- bought a domino throttle, my understanding this is potentiometer based whereas the stock controller is designed for hall sensors so it ended up on the workshop shelf.

- bought a kelly KBS72121x which on paper looks as powerful as stock. It worked with my domino throttle. Unfortunately is is significantly less powerful than stock and the throttle response was poor. I bought the programming wire and tried speed, torque and hybrid settings - none of which were very good.

- bought a "Tiny and powerful 100A phase currect controller,36~72V 40A size 82x52x30mm weight 350g" direct from cyclone. I have wired this up to a throttle I had for an oset 24jr electric trials bike (buy from https://osetbikes.com/). This is a high quality waterproof hall sensor based throttle(i think) - as good as a domino. The power is great,the delivery is smooth and controllable and the throttle action is very nice - by far the best setup. I literally wired it up today and haven't tested it in anger - i did notice the controller got a little warm. To wire the oset throttle you need to short the throttle orange and grey wires, red throttle to red controller, black throttle to black controller, blue throttle to green controller.

.... all advice unwarranted, try at your own risk.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by SwampDonkey » May 29 2020 9:49am

Hey everyone!

Im going to be using a cyclone 3000W for a go cart. I see that these are capable of reverse and most are wired for it, but it looks like mine isnt. Its supposed to be a brown wire but mine is gone. Does anyone know where its solder point on the board is? I believe its a brown and black wire labeled as "reverse".

This is going to be used on go-cart so a slow reverse is fine :thumb:

Thanks so much!

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