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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 3:17am
by lukashanak
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 03 2019 2:59am
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 03 2019 2:34am
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 03 2019 1:55am
lukashanak wrote:
Sep 02 2019 2:54pm


I have Cyc X1 Pro chain version at home for my brothers bike. So when I saw it... :-) Lighting Rods didnt respond to my email. They have adapter for standart gocart sprockets so you have more options for sprocket than 53/63/72t. But Cycmotor have smaller motor sprocket 11t. And Cycmotor sprocket have 12mm hole and my 4kW cyclone have 10mm shaft. I welded 12mm hole and make new smaller.
I gotta steal your idea lol. Just looks bad ass and is probably more efficient after getting rid of that big planetary gearbox.
It looks nice compact and I can use narrower BB. Cyclone 4kw have 178mm ISIS and now I have 148mm BB from cycmotor.
I ordered 72T, 11T, 219h chain and BB all from cycmotor. 143USD with shipping to CZ.
How are the motor shaft bearings holding up? I know they're smaller than the ones on the original 20mm output shaft. I wonder if replacing them with ceramics or other high performance bearings would be a good idea. The LR single stage "big block" kit is somewhat similar.
Time will show.... :-) I will change them when they fail. The force it 6x smaller then on gearbox shaft. But I think, that can be used thicker, higher quality bearing. If someone can do gearbox oil mod with sealing ring...

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 12:50pm
by Grantmac
How is the noise without the planetary? Could you pedal at low power if you wanted?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 3:11pm
by Tommm
Grantmac wrote:
Sep 03 2019 12:50pm
How is the noise without the planetary? Could you pedal at low power if you wanted?
No, you would cook the motor putting any meaningful power down, say going above 30kph and sharing the work with the motor. You can pedal, but the motor would be resting. :lol:

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 4:41pm
by lukashanak
Noise? Much better than planetary with steel gears. :D
Pedal? Realy? With 10kW ebike is your 300W comic.... :D And bike chain needs high speed to survive that power so you dont have that fast legs. :) I have 30/11-50T gearing. Using only 5 biggest gears. But yes, you can if you need...

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 6:25pm
by SwampDonkey
Tommm wrote:
Sep 03 2019 3:11pm
Grantmac wrote:
Sep 03 2019 12:50pm
How is the noise without the planetary? Could you pedal at low power if you wanted?
No, you would cook the motor putting any meaningful power down, say going above 30kph and sharing the work with the motor. You can pedal, but the motor would be resting. :lol:
How would you cook the motor? That c4k motor barely gets warm at 6kw.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 7:25pm
by adam333
gman1971 wrote:
Sep 01 2019 6:11am
Its made out of carbon fiber, aluminum tubes and lightweight pvc with coroplast. It has pretty much all the amenities of a car, keyless entry, illuminated approach, push-to-start button, accent interior lighting, VHF/UHF digital DMR radio, HUD with GPS and heated seat!!
wow! you sure put a lot of work on this build Gman

Gratz! it is a nice achievement.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 03 2019 9:04pm
by gman1971
adam333 wrote:
Sep 03 2019 7:25pm
gman1971 wrote:
Sep 01 2019 6:11am
Its made out of carbon fiber, aluminum tubes and lightweight pvc with coroplast. It has pretty much all the amenities of a car, keyless entry, illuminated approach, push-to-start button, accent interior lighting, VHF/UHF digital DMR radio, HUD with GPS and heated seat!!
wow! you sure put a lot of work on this build Gman

Gratz! it is a nice achievement.
Thanks dude, don't forget that Its also thanks to your suspension Adam, which works great... wish I could've used the rear suspension as well, but ... maybe the next one :D

G.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 04 2019 4:57am
by Tommm
SwampDonkey wrote:
Sep 03 2019 6:25pm
Tommm wrote:
Sep 03 2019 3:11pm
Grantmac wrote:
Sep 03 2019 12:50pm
How is the noise without the planetary? Could you pedal at low power if you wanted?
No, you would cook the motor putting any meaningful power down, say going above 30kph and sharing the work with the motor. You can pedal, but the motor would be resting. :lol:
How would you cook the motor? That c4k motor barely gets warm at 6kw.
Because of duty cycles. The motor with no gearbox but the reduction he has spins at 700rpm. Humans can only get up to 90-100rpm continous. So for you to pedal along happily at 30-40kph the motor must be in a gear where the max speed is 210-280kph. It will be bogging down hard and efficiency will be below 50%. Motor will overheat with time, even with a low output power.

Illustrated
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 04 2019 12:05pm
by Grantmac
I'm thinking left hand drive with the 4.8kw motor at this point.
Or else the QS1000 but that gets wide.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 08 2019 4:14am
by electric_nz
amazing!!
gman1971 wrote:
Sep 01 2019 6:11am
Wassup folks, long time no post... I see there is the ruthless pursuit of powa going on... pretty cool... 150 amps! How is the chain holding? :D insane power.

So, last year around March, after the winter subsided I realized I couldn't endure/fare another Wisconsin winter riding A-1, a full open cockpit trike just isn't meant to ride when temps hit -10F. Sure, you push through bundled up, etc, but you realize that no amount of clothing keeps you warm at 40mph, plus the salt was very hard on the exposed mechanics, etc... The point was that I needed something different... so I set out to build a new trike, codenamed: YA-3... I spent most of spring last year prototyping it in 3D Studio, testing ergonomics, etc. Here is how the 3D prototype looked like.
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It took me the whole summer just to build it... and around mid-September last year it was ready for road trials. After a few controlled tests and some dry runs it looked very promising so I made the decision to phase out my A-1 trike, which at that time had ~10k miles on it. What I didn't realize tho, is that rushing YA-3 to full commuter duty proved to be the wrong decision. To put it in nice words: it had a lot of teething problems, lots of firsts on YA-3, so lots of bugs to work out and winter quickly approaching, by November it was cold enough outside I couldn't do much, so unfortunately I ended up spending most of the winter patching it up left and right just to keep it running (from falling apart), it wan't fun if you ask me; but at the beginning of summer this year I put A-1 back in commuter service for a couple of weeks and set out to fix all the problems I faced in YA-3... and now, its finally ready for prime time.

Introducing my latest Cyclone powered e-Trike: A-3, right next to the trike it replaced, the veteran with around 11k miles A-1B
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Its made out of carbon fiber, aluminum tubes and lightweight pvc with coroplast. It has pretty much all the amenities of a car, keyless entry, illuminated approach, push-to-start button, accent interior lighting, VHF/UHF digital DMR radio, HUD with GPS and heated seat!!
The large glass cockpit was the hardest thing to do, I wanted the pedals, and me pedaling it to be very visible to everyone on the road; and that was the #1 design priority: build a trike around a glass cockpit so I could load it up with an unspecified amount of kilo-watts and never raise a flag. As of today it has 1738 miles GPS confirmed.

I have to say , its truly a blast to ride... feels like you're inside a fighter jet, and I also have a small shell that I can use to cover the top (but my helmet remains outside) for winter and when it rains... no more getting wet when driving in the rain... no more freezing my tail off when temps drop to -10F, and no more rusted everything in salt... and then, to put it in simple terms, it blows the doors off A-1 on every test we've thrown at it.

G.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 11 2019 3:45pm
by Skaiwerd
Does this go here?
Referring to the above post

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 16 2019 11:07pm
by gman1971
Skaiwerd wrote:
Sep 11 2019 3:45pm
Does this go here?
Referring to the above post
Its a Cyclone 3000W powered e-trike/velomobile, and this is the Cyclone 3000W thread. All my eBikes, eTrikes all use Cyclone 3000W motors.

G.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 23 2019 8:39am
by ebike11
The 178mm bottom bracket from cyclone is offset
Does the longer end go on the crank or noncrank side? Thx

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 23 2019 1:23pm
by minimum
ebike11 wrote:
Sep 23 2019 8:39am
The 178mm bottom bracket from cyclone is offset
Does the longer end go on the crank or noncrank side? Thx
Left side, to clear the rear end of motor.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Sep 24 2019 9:30pm
by ebike11
Sorry had another quick question.
What is the name or model of the tool needed to tighten the cyclone lockrings? Cyclone said they dont have it available. I mainly see just BB tools for the shell itself not the lockrings
Thx

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 04 2019 7:56am
by robocam
What!? Gman's Cyclone-powered trike? He's been posting about his trikes for years! :) Glad to see you're still working with the Cyclone Gman!
Skaiwerd wrote:
Sep 11 2019 3:45pm
Does this go here?
Referring to the above post

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 05 2019 4:07pm
by pwd
ebike11 wrote:
Sep 24 2019 9:30pm
Sorry had another quick question.
What is the name or model of the tool needed to tighten the cyclone lockrings? Cyclone said they dont have it available. I mainly see just BB tools for the shell itself not the lockrings
Thx
Look for a lock ring tool, something like this:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000087 ... b201603_52

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 09 2019 6:52pm
by markz
Anyone know what the spacer width is on the drive side?
I will start off with 5mm, but it'd be good to know if someone can measure easy enough or has the info on hand.

My crankset gear and the motor gear do not line up. From Luna's youtube video on C3K install, looks like they have spacers that go between the motor and the brackets.

I lost the spacers, bb insert, bb insert "nuts", and for some reason the non drive side arm.
Ordered from CycloneTW the arms, and a 100mm bb. I was hoping they would come with spacers and more then one bb insert "nut". Just one nut and no spacers. Luna's vid had 3 nuts, I guess the 68 bb needs it and not the 100 bb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G99tNdeZa0g



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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 09 2019 8:47pm
by markz
I got it close on a couple nuts, now its washer time.
Going to need a bit longer metric bolts, special order from Greggs Distributors.

A cpl runs over to HD and I still need more then 9.70mm space. Now the bolts wont fit.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 09 2019 10:28pm
by minimum
markz wrote:
Oct 09 2019 6:52pm
Anyone know what the spacer width is on the drive side?
Those two 10mm spacers you have there in the right blue bowl.
Or, upper left corner on installation hardware picture.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 10 2019 9:25pm
by markz
Tyvm minimum

I used two nuts as spacers, I believe they were 5/16 nuts and it looks to be aligned with outter gear (2nd picture), but its not squared up (3rd picture) because the angled bracket is mangled. A cargo strap and a piece of wood will get it aligned.

The 6mm x 80mm Hexhead bolts were able to tighten up the spacer nuts snugly. At first I thought maybe they might be too long.
You could get away with the bolts being 75mm long.
I went through 3 sets. Most places dont sell that length in Allenhead, the specialty stores have minimum $10 policy.

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Same ole problem with the pedal threads coring out the arm.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 12 2019 11:50am
by markz
Same ole problem for me.
I will try a helicoil.
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 12 2019 12:29pm
by Tommm
markz wrote:
Oct 12 2019 11:50am
Same ole problem for me.
I will try a helicoil.

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That pedal doesn't seem quite straight to me.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 12 2019 1:15pm
by robocam

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Oct 12 2019 2:18pm
by joshuahuang
Anyone know how to fix the throttle? I have the stock non bluetooth 40a controller and the throttle response is terrible because it's speed controlled not current controlled. Do I need a new throttle or is there another solution? It's manageable on road but not for steeper technical trails.