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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 10 2015 2:50pm
by StinkyGoalieGuy
Hey Dekes, can you measure the length from one end of the motor to the end of the freewheel? Essentially, what is the minimum required crank spacing?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 11 2015 3:17am
by lantice13
yes! a video of the drive in action would be great. I suspect the jubilee clamps is not enough to restrain the motor at 2kw and up....the mounting brackets are simple enough that simple metal tools and some thick steel plates from your local hardware store can make it stronger . I also have flex on my gng gen 2 which is very similar to this cyclone kit. the tesioner is fixed which keeps the 2nd reduction from dropping. even with all the flex, never had a single drop on the 2nd reduction. as for the final drive, I only drop chains if I shift too fast on power. my solution for that is proper gear shifting. lol it's not a motorcycle gearbox.....

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 12 2015 4:45am
by Megsy73
jdevo2004 wrote:I feel like this kit has a lot of potential. With the right after market parts to fix some small problems it could be great. My only worry is the gears. Are they easy to replace? Are they cheap?
Looks like AFT is working on it...http://www.aft-ebike.com/kits--pricing.html

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 12 2015 4:52am
by lantice13
Nice! :twisted:

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 12 2015 4:58am
by emaayan
lantice13 wrote:Nice! :twisted:
don't go nice so fast :) check out their prices on their current kit, do you really think a new motor would change all that?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jun 12 2015 1:26pm
by jdevo2004
Megsy73 wrote:
jdevo2004 wrote:I feel like this kit has a lot of potential. With the right after market parts to fix some small problems it could be great. My only worry is the gears. Are they easy to replace? Are they cheap?
Looks like AFT is working on it...http://www.aft-ebike.com/kits--pricing.html

Cool, hopefully they keep the prices reasonable. The picture looks like a stock unit. I would like to see what modifications they did to the brackets to prevent torque twisting.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Dec 01 2015 8:13pm
by cwah
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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Dec 02 2015 4:58am
by Overclocker
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is there a support bearing on the freewheeling crankset? or does it rely solely on the freewheel?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Dec 02 2015 6:18pm
by jk1
is there a support bearing on the freewheeling crankset? or does it rely solely on the freewheel?
it seems the problem is worse if you use the cheap DICTA or have a bad chain line, and the second bearing is a bandaid for these 2 issues.
Most of the kits even the LR just use a good quality ACS freewheel that has double row bearings and then you don't need a separate bearing the WI freewheel is not dual bearing and hence this MUST have the separate bearings.

The AFT kit looks interesting with the upgrades, also I notice they have 20% off now.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Dec 05 2015 7:37pm
by Just2807
Ok, i saw some1 opening cyclone 1680w gearbox after around 10 000 km, teeth were worn (by the looks of it) out but could take few thousand more.
Planetary gearbox is 99$ on their website.
Some1 even dripped oil inside gearbox which should prolong it's life. Can't find the damn post!
Regarding brackets, we are trying to figure out something here:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewt ... 28&t=73027
There are some specs with overvolted (2kW+) motor too. Maybe it can help.
I am aiming at this 1.8-3 kW too

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Dec 18 2015 2:51am
by lantice13
Seems like Lunacycle.com are selling these at their store. http://lunacycle.com/black-friday/cyclo ... planetary/ and for the flex, I would tune my controller's battery amps and phase amps ratio so that the motor will have a soft start/kick to it at dead stop. Same solution that I did with my 2015 GNG gen 1 mid drive. Bike will be less twitchy too which is important for controlling the bike.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 10 2016 2:19pm
by 1KW
any body build anything with this? LR is producing plates still for this kit?
cheers

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 11 2016 3:41am
by lantice13
I would wait for the LR version. It's looking mighty fine from the photos he posted in one of the threads regarding this kit at the ES Facebook group. :twisted:

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 11 2016 3:44am
by lantice13
I don't know if this is close to the final setup.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 11 2016 4:11am
by emaayan
Ohn yea, i forgot l-r block me on facebook too :)

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 11 2016 5:05am
by BoomerChomsi
I am considering to buy middrive kit after many hub motors....
How is durable is motor cog?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 12 2016 2:29pm
by TorEddy
Review of the Cyclone 3000w:
http://electric-fatbike.com/2016/01/12/ ... -the-cops/

This kit, with some LR love and a Grin Phaserunner bolted to the BB brackets, would be nice.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 12 2016 2:58pm
by BoomerChomsi
Thank you for your link.

Will have a look 8)

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 12 2016 10:45pm
by lantice13
Those programmable infineon controllers from Em3ev work very well with this motor. I would assume they are pretty much the same motor as the GNG gen 1. Tuning the phase amps and battery amps ratio is a must. It's no BBS02 or BBS-HD mid drive that are already programmed to start smoothly when you throttle up. For longevity of the whole drive system this is a requirement.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 4:20am
by TorEddy
lantice13 wrote:Those programmable infineon controllers from Em3ev work very well with this motor. I would assume they are pretty much the same motor as the GNG gen 1. Tuning the phase amps and battery amps ratio is a must. It's no BBS02 or BBS-HD mid drive that are already programmed to start smoothly when you throttle up. For longevity of the whole drive system this is a requirement.
Seems like LR is talking to Justin at Grin about programming the Phaserunner for this Cyclone 3000w kit. That combo with the controller between the BB sheets, would make a waterproof and stealth looking kit.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 4:28am
by emaayan
i wish i could use the phaserunner myself :( seems like a very compact controller, but i have no idea about it...

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 4:38am
by BoomerChomsi
What kind of brand are those controllers?

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 12:05pm
by Warren
Man. I wish I had seen this motor before I bought the Crown 4080 for my recumbent cargo bike. I wanted a 2000 watt, geared motor small enough in diameter to fit in between the frame tubes, but couldn't find one. This would have worked perfectly. Replacing the single cog freewheel with one of these Enos

http://harriscyclery.net/product/white- ... l-1554.htm

would have allowed me to run the same setup I have loved on my old mid-drive for over 20K miles. Single front chainring geared for 65-100 rpm cadence with the motor running at 50-80% of no-load, and the motor running the rear gears.

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 2:24pm
by TorEddy
BoomerChomsi wrote:What kind of brand are those controllers?
Image

http://www.ebikes.ca/c-phaserunner.html

Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Posted: Jan 13 2016 3:40pm
by BoomerChomsi
Thank you!

Also what kind of brand are Cyclone controllers?

Thanks.