new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Stormsorter » Oct 27 2019 12:43am

Planning a build but cant decide on battery. Figured it best to ask the opinions of those using this kit. Estimated total weight 300-350lb. Tire size 26 but that may change to 24x2.5 with actual diameter of 25. Will keep the speed at 28-30mph and will try to use PAS. Trips will be 1-2 miles to the store then back a few times a week. I guess my biggest question is can I get away with a 40-45 amp max continuous draw pack and what voltage would probably be best for me?

Trying to keep the price below $350, preferably well below and will build the pack myself as I have done a few nicd drill batteries and small lion packs before. I will be splitting the pack so I can use the 300watt 6s hobby balance charger I already have, an ISDT Q6 Pro. Since I should have the time I will charge them separately instead of building and using a parallel board. I will eventually upgrade to an ANT-BMS and use this app for it instead of the stock app https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... s&hl=en_GB

And depending on how well it performs I may switch it over to the 62 Schwinn Corvette with a 2stroke and shift kit that I have been riding all year. Though that will be after I decide and paint it, shes naked and starting to rust a bit lol. But this thing probably weighs twice as much as the old Blackcomb mtb I'll be using for now.

List of cells and configs I have been considering and made before I decided against parallel charging. This is all with shipping from the US so no surprise charges or waiting.

Sanyo NCR20700B 4250mAh 15A max continuous draw.
15s3p 55.5v 12.75ah 45amp about $255 shipped
15s4p 55.5v 17ah 60amp about $325 shipped
18s3p 66.6v 12.75ah 45amp about $293 shipped
18s4p 66.6v 17ah 60amp about $387 shipped


Sanyo NCR18650GA 3450mAh 10A max
15s4p 55.5v 13.8ah 40amp max about $265 shipped
18s4p 66.6v 13.8ah 40amp max about $316 shipped


Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh 10A
15s5p 55.5v 14.5ah 50amp max about $272 shipped
18s5p 66.6v 14.5ah 50amp max about $325 shipped

Lishen LR2170SA 4000mah 12A max
15s4p 55.5v 16ah 48amp max $273 shipped
18s4p 66.6v 16ah 48amp max $324 shipped
I can only find tests of its slightly bigger brother the LR2170SF 4500mah 13.5A and they did very well.

Lishen LR2170SF 4500mah 13.5A max
15s4p 55.5v 18ah 54amp max $331 shipped
According to the test I found these delivered down to 3.2V at 5A continuous = 13.3Wh and to 3.2V at 10A continuous = 12.4Wh beating a Samsung 50E rated at 5000mah. https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threa ... es.898393/

Lishen seems to be a legit brand used by Apple, Samsung, HP and saw claims that most major e-bike manufactures use them without listing any of them but cant remember the source. Oh and Tesla is considering them for there Chinese market. Anyone have any experience with this brand?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by gman1971 » Nov 20 2019 3:07am

robocam wrote:
Oct 04 2019 7:56am
What!? Gman's Cyclone-powered trike? He's been posting about his trikes for years! :) Glad to see you're still working with the Cyclone Gman!
Skaiwerd wrote:
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Does this go here?
Referring to the above post
Hey there Robo, thanks man. Glad to hear you still post here too! Its been a long time. This is the third trike I build now, three Cyclone powered e-Trikes, and 2 Cyclone eBikes, all very fast... and all very fun to drive. :)

You still towing the endless trailer?

G.
I am all about high-speed, low-drag, mid-drives and gears...
A-3 trike, ?-kW, ??+ mph (Cyclone powered) Very fast, ludicrous speed fast...
A-1B trike, 6+kW, 65+mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFC8MRwvgUM
A-2A trike 3kW, 50mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoqp0wl6Vo
eB-1C bike 3kW, 42mph (Cyclone powered): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weSmz_h3Ig

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Pennswoods85 » Dec 08 2019 6:33pm

Hi there, curious if anyone here has experience shunt modding the stock 40amp 3000w controller? Would be nice to get up to 60amps. Maybe just adding solder to the base of the two shunts? Any insight be much appreciated! New member here just want to say thanks I have learned so much from this thread.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by robocam » Dec 08 2019 8:40pm

Yes, Gman has done it and posted about it. He got it up to 90A.
Pennswoods85 wrote:
Dec 08 2019 6:33pm
Hi there, curious if anyone here has experience shunt modding the stock 40amp 3000w controller? Would be nice to get up to 60amps. Maybe just adding solder to the base of the two shunts? Any insight be much appreciated! New member here just want to say thanks I have learned so much from this thread.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Dec 28 2019 8:40am

Anyone put this motor on an Enduro frame EEB?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Tommm » Dec 28 2019 9:00am

ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 8:40am
Anyone put this motor on an Enduro frame EEB?
They sell a complete swingarm with a 4kw motor built in already.

This dual drive setup is a new development, it allows you to keep pedaling while having high power.




They sell the swingarm seperate too.

http://www.cyclone-tw.com/Coaxial.html

Shoot them a mail and be sure to ask for steel gears. Then you can do 80-90a peak. Good idea to put a temp sensor in though.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Dec 28 2019 10:34am

Tommm wrote:
Dec 28 2019 9:00am
ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 8:40am
Anyone put this motor on an Enduro frame EEB?
They sell a complete swingarm with a 4kw motor built in already.

This dual drive setup is a new development, it allows you to keep pedaling while having high power.




They sell the swingarm seperate too.

http://www.cyclone-tw.com/Coaxial.html

Shoot them a mail and be sure to ask for steel gears. Then you can do 80-90a peak. Good idea to put a temp sensor in though.
Looks interesting but i already have the standard eeb frame kit so looking to mount the 3000w cyclone on it.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Grantmac » Dec 28 2019 1:32pm

I'm not interested in the swingarm or co-axle motor, but that belt setup has some parts that I hope become available.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Tommm » Dec 28 2019 3:52pm

ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 10:34am
Tommm wrote:
Dec 28 2019 9:00am
ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 8:40am
Anyone put this motor on an Enduro frame EEB?
They sell a complete swingarm with a 4kw motor built in already.

This dual drive setup is a new development, it allows you to keep pedaling while having high power.




They sell the swingarm seperate too.

http://www.cyclone-tw.com/Coaxial.html

Shoot them a mail and be sure to ask for steel gears. Then you can do 80-90a peak. Good idea to put a temp sensor in though.
Looks interesting but i already have the standard eeb frame kit so looking to mount the 3000w cyclone on it.
I know. They sell the swingarm+motor seperately. You can keep and use your own frame. This is exacly what you need. This bike in the video is a standard eeb what you have, but with a custom swingarm+motor.
You can buy only the missing parts from them.
With the vanilla cyclone mount being as bad as it is, this integrated solution is a godsend.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by john61ct » Dec 28 2019 11:17pm

Hey OP+mods, how about splitting this new motor off into a new thread?

Titled "Cyclone 4/4.8 kW Coaxial Mid Drive"?

Dunno if the "dual drive" aspect is inherent in the release or an added optional feature?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by john61ct » Dec 28 2019 11:25pm


ebike11 wrote:This dual drive setup is a new development, it allows you to keep pedaling while having high power.
Anyone else think dump the old school chain + derailers, go with two belts?

I think this setup would rock with a Rohloff 526% IGH, favor the low end in my case, big hills to climb with heavy loads, top speed 25km/h is fine . . .



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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Dec 29 2019 12:07am

Tommm wrote:
Dec 28 2019 3:52pm
ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 10:34am
Tommm wrote:
Dec 28 2019 9:00am
ebike11 wrote:
Dec 28 2019 8:40am
Anyone put this motor on an Enduro frame EEB?
They sell a complete swingarm with a 4kw motor built in already.

This dual drive setup is a new development, it allows you to keep pedaling while having high power.




They sell the swingarm seperate too.

http://www.cyclone-tw.com/Coaxial.html

Shoot them a mail and be sure to ask for steel gears. Then you can do 80-90a peak. Good idea to put a temp sensor in though.
Looks interesting but i already have the standard eeb frame kit so looking to mount the 3000w cyclone on it.
I know. They sell the swingarm+motor seperately. You can keep and use your own frame. This is exacly what you need. This bike in the video is a standard eeb what you have, but with a custom swingarm+motor.
You can buy only the missing parts from them.
With the vanilla cyclone mount being as bad as it is, this integrated solution is a godsend.
Rather not buy another swingarm..just looking to see people who fit a standard 3000w on an EEB

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Tommm » Dec 29 2019 5:39am

ebike11 wrote:
Dec 29 2019 12:07am
Rather not buy another swingarm..just looking to see people who fit a standard 3000w on an EEB
This setup gets around a lot of problems and headaches a mid drive would otherwise have. If you want to do it right it is well worth it. I certainly would.

I've seen some people install bbshd on qulbix and vector frames so it should be possible.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Jan 01 2020 5:27am

Hi
when installing the cyclone 3000 on a bike with wider bottom bracket, can you just straighten the bent (thin non-chain drive side) mounting bracket to make it fit on the wider BB? Originally it comes bent for 68mm BB

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by robocam » Jan 01 2020 9:12pm

I would think that if you straighten it, it would be too long.
ebike11 wrote:
Jan 01 2020 5:27am
Hi
when installing the cyclone 3000 on a bike with wider bottom bracket, can you just straighten the bent (thin non-chain drive side) mounting bracket to make it fit on the wider BB? Originally it comes bent for 68mm BB

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Jan 01 2020 10:13pm

robocam wrote:
Jan 01 2020 9:12pm
I would think that if you straighten it, it would be too long.
ebike11 wrote:
Jan 01 2020 5:27am
Hi
when installing the cyclone 3000 on a bike with wider bottom bracket, can you just straighten the bent (thin non-chain drive side) mounting bracket to make it fit on the wider BB? Originally it comes bent for 68mm BB
Hmmm it might be...i guess ill try when the weather warms up. I wonder if anyone else has put the 3000w on a wide BB

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by robocam » Jan 01 2020 11:14pm

They make a mount for that size.

http://sickbikeparts.com/3000w-hd-mount/
ebike11 wrote:
Jan 01 2020 10:13pm
robocam wrote:
Jan 01 2020 9:12pm
I would think that if you straighten it, it would be too long.
ebike11 wrote:
Jan 01 2020 5:27am
Hi
when installing the cyclone 3000 on a bike with wider bottom bracket, can you just straighten the bent (thin non-chain drive side) mounting bracket to make it fit on the wider BB? Originally it comes bent for 68mm BB
Hmmm it might be...i guess ill try when the weather warms up. I wonder if anyone else has put the 3000w on a wide BB

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Grantmac » Jan 02 2020 12:27am

Best thing to do with that thin bracket is toss it in the garbage.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Jan 02 2020 10:33am

Grantmac wrote:
Jan 02 2020 12:27am
Best thing to do with that thin bracket is toss it in the garbage.
Which one do you recommend for wide BB?

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Grantmac » Jan 02 2020 5:54pm

Build one using some aluminum plate, all you need is a hacksaw and drill.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Skaiwerd » Jan 08 2020 7:01am

Would be nice to put the cyclone or similar motor inside the lower part of the battery case/box. The prices of the stealth bomber eBay knock off etc. frame have come down considerably. Still no taper headset and only small wheels are useable and it’s heavy.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Tommm » Jan 08 2020 7:03am

Skaiwerd wrote:
Jan 08 2020 7:01am
Would be nice to put the cyclone or similar motor inside the lower part of the battery case/box. The prices of the stealth bomber eBay knock off etc. frame have come down considerably. Still no taper headset and only small wheels are useable and it’s heavy.
A lot of dual crowns have non tapered so it is not a deal breaker. The head angle is not great if the rear wheel isn't a lot smaller though.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by ebike11 » Jan 15 2020 8:27pm

Can the standard 3000w cyclones be used with a sinewave controller???

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by Pennswoods85 » Jan 24 2020 11:07am

Anyone here ever upgrade the chain tensioner on the cyclone 3000w?? I found the factory one jambs and bends very easily while riding through grassy fields.Thinking of making a bracket to hold a stationary roller but unsure if that would work.

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Re: new cyclone 3000 w mid-drive kit?

Post by dirkdiggler » Jan 25 2020 8:42pm

Here's what I did to mount the cyclone to eeb frame. No pedals though. Didn't want them. Unfortunately the surron is a better bike for what I want.
Just cut down the stock mount to get it flush with the frame. Had to drill two new holes.
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