Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Discussions related to motors other than hub motors.
This includes R/C motors, botttom bracket, roller and geared drives.
Post Reply
ebike11   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1400
Joined: Nov 16 2013 8:01pm
Location: far away

Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by ebike11 » Dec 28 2019 5:28am

Hi guys!
Just wondering if anyone has ever installed a Cyclone 3000 on an EEB (Enduro) frame?
Thanks!

ScooterMan101   10 MW

10 MW
Posts: 2048
Joined: Oct 06 2012 4:45pm
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by ScooterMan101 » Jan 03 2020 4:18pm

It has been a week since you posted the question and no one has answered.

I have been waiting for someone to design a better e-bike frame, and one that can use a mid drive like the Cyclone 3000 w kit , and/or the GNG 2019 Cyclone 3000w kit.

The way most every e-bike frame is designed does not allow a good platform for a mid-drive, they are designed around a rear hub motor.
Vector bikes / the Typhoon Frame is shown with a BBS02 mid drive but even that frame needs a re-design for many reasons.

Since you are in Korea it is best to find a bike Bicycle Frame Manufacturer in your country , or in Tiawan if you can find someone there that will work with you. and Start making a frame that is better than any other hub motor e-bike frame.

You can contact me , also you can have someone in Korea / Tiawan contact me , come to the U.S. and meet with me and I will show you some design features that are necessary for a better e-bike frame.
My first conversion ... Sold

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71378&p=1077497&hil ... 1#p1077497

It's 2018 already, ( now 2019 ) lets get some real , improved e-bike / e-velomobile / e-motorcycle designs .

rockstar195   100 W

100 W
Posts: 163
Joined: May 13 2019 8:33pm

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by rockstar195 » Jan 03 2020 8:59pm

Check this out (look for the post by LightingRods on Nov 26 2017 5:22pm towards the middle of the page with the pics of the Enduro EEB ): viewtopic.php?f=28&t=82938&start=300

ScooterMan101   10 MW

10 MW
Posts: 2048
Joined: Oct 06 2012 4:45pm
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by ScooterMan101 » Jan 04 2020 1:46pm

Notice the 2 plates ( 1 on each side of the swing arm at the dropout area of the EBB swing arm ) .

That is necessary to add length in order to fit the Big Block/ Small Block / a Cyclone motor , in front of the wheel .
also
that looks to be a small diameter wheel as well ?

rockstar195 wrote:
Jan 03 2020 8:59pm
Check this out (look for the post by LightingRods on Nov 26 2017 5:22pm towards the middle of the page with the pics of the Enduro EEB ): viewtopic.php?f=28&t=82938&start=300
My first conversion ... Sold

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71378&p=1077497&hil ... 1#p1077497

It's 2018 already, ( now 2019 ) lets get some real , improved e-bike / e-velomobile / e-motorcycle designs .

Tommm   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 887
Joined: Apr 03 2018 2:32am

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by Tommm » Jan 05 2020 1:21am



Cyclone have their own integrated swingarm.
Much better than even the lightning rod version. It is $700 including motor and controller.

I showed it to OP in the cyclone thread, he wanted nothing to do with it, he wants to keep his swingarm. So because of that, he would rather suffer with terrible quality motor mounts, snapping chains because of the stupidy high 2 stage gearing under any real power and freewheel issues. He will spend more than the difference in price in maintenance and hair pulling, but whatever floats his boat.

ScooterMan101   10 MW

10 MW
Posts: 2048
Joined: Oct 06 2012 4:45pm
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by ScooterMan101 » Jan 06 2020 5:49pm

I found out about that Cyclone 4.8 kw motor and frame just a month or so after I bought my GNG 2019 3000w motor, So
( perhaps ) like the OP I am stuck , meaning my money has been spent on that . No more money for the 4.8 motor/frame , and now I must also find a e-bike frame that will accept the 2019 motor .

I am not in a hurry to sell the 2019 3k motor just yet because that 4.8 cyclone and most every e-bike frame just is not refined enough to keep up with modern times / modern bicycle geometries . Meaning Longer , Lower , and Slacker

All the e-bike frames IMHO should have much slacker head angles that are more suited to the higher speeds we do on performance e-bikes.
Head Angles of 63 degrees or even slacker, Note in the non-motor bicycle world more regular downhill and
enduro / all mountain bikes are now at 63-64 degrees of head angle . I see 62 degrees coming soon to the bicycle world .

So even though I understand all you are saying about the 2 stage gearing , destroying freewheels , etc. We still need a much updated e-bike frame to work with DIY Mid-Drives.


BTW I have 350 miles or more now on my 2019 3k motor bike and no or very little chain stretch , and no freewheel problems , I am careful to start off with low torque and increase speed and torque slower than on a motorcycle.




Tommm wrote:
Jan 05 2020 1:21am


Cyclone have their own integrated swingarm.
Much better than even the lightning rod version. It is $700 including motor and controller.

I showed it to OP in the cyclone thread, he wanted nothing to do with it, he wants to keep his swingarm. So because of that, he would rather suffer with terrible quality motor mounts, snapping chains because of the stupidy high 2 stage gearing under any real power and freewheel issues. He will spend more than the difference in price in maintenance and hair pulling, but whatever floats his boat.
My first conversion ... Sold

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=71378&p=1077497&hil ... 1#p1077497

It's 2018 already, ( now 2019 ) lets get some real , improved e-bike / e-velomobile / e-motorcycle designs .

Tommm   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 887
Joined: Apr 03 2018 2:32am

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by Tommm » Jan 06 2020 11:19pm

ScooterMan101 wrote:
Jan 06 2020 5:49pm
I found out about that Cyclone 4.8 kw motor and frame just a month or so after I bought my GNG 2019 3000w motor,
If you already have it, it is a done deal, the GNG drive has most of the cyclone kit's bugs fixed, so it is as good as you can get otherwise.

ebike11   100 kW

100 kW
Posts: 1400
Joined: Nov 16 2013 8:01pm
Location: far away

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by ebike11 » Jan 11 2020 10:51pm

Tommm wrote:
Jan 05 2020 1:21am


Cyclone have their own integrated swingarm.
Much better than even the lightning rod version. It is $700 including motor and controller.

I showed it to OP in the cyclone thread, he wanted nothing to do with it, he wants to keep his swingarm. So because of that, he would rather suffer with terrible quality motor mounts, snapping chains because of the stupidy high 2 stage gearing under any real power and freewheel issues. He will spend more than the difference in price in maintenance and hair pulling, but whatever floats his boat.
Thats coz i already have the 3000w from another build laying around and also have an EEB kit from em3ev. Why wouldnt i try to try and makebthis work with everything here in front of me before handing over $1000 plus on new stuff??
If doing that floats your boat then you can do it first

User avatar
problemaddict   10 mW

10 mW
Posts: 21
Joined: Jul 15 2016 12:09pm
Location: Hatfield, pa
Contact:

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by problemaddict » Jan 21 2020 11:02am

A couple frames that seem like they would work, but you don't see anyone using them with a Cyclone. I'm not sure why, but maybe the bottom bracket isn't compatible? (too wide?)

Teleport Prime

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3876152282

Qulbix\Risun

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 3068374110

With both of these frame styles the BB is not in the swingarm, so they should work with a Cyclone...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Check out my YouTube Channel: Mike Tinkers and Builds Stuff

dirkdiggler   10 kW

10 kW
Posts: 621
Joined: Oct 18 2012 1:31am

Re: Anyone running a Cyclone motor on an EEB frame?

Post by dirkdiggler » Jan 29 2020 3:59pm

Posted in the cyclone thread already. I've done it and removed pedals. Cut the mount to have more ground clearance.
Attachments
20200125_183704-800x360.jpg
20200125_183704-800x360.jpg (91.87 KiB) Viewed 668 times

Post Reply