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Post by GadgetJim57 » Oct 05 2019 8:45pm

What bicycle speakers would you recommend ? I want something loud enough that I can hear my music while cycling. Also, should be easy to attach and detach quickly to prevent theft, and should hold up in the rain, and have good battery life. I would like to have a built-in FM Radio and SD Card Reader, but not absolutely necessary.

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Post by e-beach » Oct 05 2019 10:47pm

I don't use things like bicycle speakers so I can hear the cars moving around me. It has saved me from being hit plenty of times.

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Post by The fingers » Oct 05 2019 11:30pm

Mount cameras instead. :wink:
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Post by GadgetJim57 » Oct 06 2019 12:03am

e-beach wrote:
Oct 05 2019 10:47pm
I don't use things like bicycle speakers so I can hear the cars moving around me. It has saved me from being hit plenty of times.

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I ride on trails and paths sometimes, which would be safe listening to music.

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Post by GadgetJim57 » Oct 06 2019 12:04am

The fingers wrote:
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Mount cameras instead. :wink:
I have a GoPro 6 mounted on the handlebars. I got video of an old lady who almost hit me at the college … !!!



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Post by dustNbone » Oct 06 2019 4:27pm

Get some mirrors, and a decent set of headphones.

You shouldn't be depending on hearing things coming toward you to save your ass from getting hit, or you will eventually be run over by an electric car with high efficiency tires.

It's like that old "loud pipes save lives" bullshit. They don't.

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Post by e-beach » Oct 06 2019 5:18pm

dustNbone wrote:
Oct 06 2019 4:27pm
Get some mirrors, and a decent set of headphones.......
Try that around here and you will regret it. Fast! Let me just say....... "KABOOM!" Mirrors aren't going to save you around here. Around here, cars come at you from 360°. And erratically, not just from behind. :cry: :evil:

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Post by dustNbone » Oct 06 2019 7:52pm

Exactly, which is why you need to rely on your eyes. We're not good enough as humans at directionalizing sounds to depend on that as a defense mechanism.

You need to be looking all around you, all the time. Mirrors just allow you to cover the area behind you without requiring you to look over your shoulder.

Take inventory of every vehicle that could potentially conflict with your path, from the time you can see it until the time it's not in potential conflict anymore, nothing should ever come as a surprise.

The amount of noise a single modern vehicle can make, (at a distance where you'll actually have time to hear it, look at it, find a path to evade it and react accordingly), is generally going to be well under the noise floor created by the general din of traffic and other city noise, as well as wind noise over your ears if you're moving any speed.

Hearing horns, sirens, screeching tires, etc is another story altogether. I would never suggest obstructing your hearing enough that you'd miss any of that.

We let deaf people drive though. We do not let blind people drive.

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Post by wturber » Oct 13 2019 12:41am

dustNbone wrote:
Oct 06 2019 7:52pm

The amount of noise a single modern vehicle can make, (at a distance where you'll actually have time to hear it, look at it, find a path to evade it and react accordingly), is generally going to be well under the noise floor created by the general din of traffic and other city noise, as well as wind noise over your ears if you're moving any speed.

Hearing horns, sirens, screeching tires, etc is another story altogether. I would never suggest obstructing your hearing enough that you'd miss any of that.

We let deaf people drive though. We do not let blind people drive.
Furthermore, once I get much past 12mph, the air noise in my ears interferes with my ability to hear ambient sounds about as much as earphones played at a moderate level. At 28mph, the wind noise can even drown out my headphones at max volume. This is also a reason for not using a bike speaker. It would have to be so loud that it would be super annoying to anyone nearby.

Anyway, I agree. Vision and alertness trump hearing by a long shot in my experience.
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Post by LeftieBiker » Oct 13 2019 1:05am

I use a single Bluetooth speaker on a silicone band attached to the right bar. With the volume moderate it doesn't mask road sounds. The Amazon Basics BT speaker is big and has a good sound. I use a $10 CVS BT speaker on my folder, and it's ok but the sound is only good if I use my EQ app with it.

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Post by e-beach » Oct 13 2019 4:25pm

wturber wrote:
Oct 13 2019 12:41am
.........Anyway, I agree. Vision and alertness trump hearing by a long shot in my experience.
So is listening to the traffic around you when you ride is not alertness? Sounds to me like the bunch of you are saying "don't bother listening to the traffic around you when you ride."

If I were a newbe that would be my takeaway from what you non-listeners are saying.

I still call not "listening to the traffic while one rides" bad advice.

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Post by wturber » Oct 13 2019 6:11pm

e-beach wrote:
Oct 13 2019 4:25pm
wturber wrote:
Oct 13 2019 12:41am
.........Anyway, I agree. Vision and alertness trump hearing by a long shot in my experience.
So is listening to the traffic around you when you ride is not alertness?
Alertness is a mental state. Listening can only be a very small part of alertness because the amount of information it provides is so limited compared to vision.
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Post by e-beach » Oct 13 2019 8:45pm

wturber wrote:
Oct 13 2019 6:11pm

Alertness is a mental state. Listening can only be a very small part of alertness because the amount of information it provides is so limited compared to vision.
So how is your hearing bro? A very small part? I still call b#!!s#!%. Sorry, but that is how I see it.

And, I never denied that vision is important while riding.

So I ask you this. Have you ever pulled up to an intersection, looked left to see if it is clear only to have your vision blocked by parked cars or other obstructions? Your vision won't tell you what is coming, but your ears might. Have you ever been on a curved part of a road where your mirror isn't showing what is behind you due to the curve? Your vision isn't going to save you, but your ears might. Have you ever been distracted by a sudden situation in front of you and suddenly there is a car horn blasting or tires screeching behind you necessitating a quick bail out maneuver to save from being hit? Where your reaction time couldn't allow for a careful check of a rear view mirror? I have had all those situations.

As for hearing at speed, yes the faster one rides the more the rush of the wind can drown out traffic noise, but not all riders go fast all the time. Around here, between the stop lights and stop signs I average 12 miles per hour. Not in speed, but in distance. There is no reason for me or any of the other thousands of e-bike riders around here to go fast because we will only be stopped down the block most of the time. At 12mph, it is very easy to hear what is coming up behind you.

IMO ones hearing is just as important as vision while riding.

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Post by Balmorhea » Oct 13 2019 10:07pm

dustNbone wrote:
Oct 06 2019 4:27pm
You shouldn't be depending on hearing things coming toward you to save your ass from getting hit, or you will eventually be run over by an electric car with high efficiency tires.
You can't see around a blind corner, but you can hear around one. Often you can hear a bicyclist or a dog that's outside your field of view, so I am skeptical of your assertion about electric cars. It depends how fast you're going, though. I find that speeds over 20 mph don't let me hear my surroundings very well.

One of the reasons I don't wear a helmet is that wind across the straps reduces my situational awareness even at modest speed. When weather allows me to wear the hood of a sweatshirt up over my head, the stillness around my ears helps me hear even better.

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Post by wturber » Oct 18 2019 11:42pm

e-beach wrote:
Oct 13 2019 8:45pm
wturber wrote:
Oct 13 2019 6:11pm

Alertness is a mental state. Listening can only be a very small part of alertness because the amount of information it provides is so limited compared to vision.
So how is your hearing bro? A very small part? I still call b#!!s#!%. Sorry, but that is how I see it.
My hearing is quite good - when wind isn't rushing by my ears.
e-beach wrote:
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And, I never denied that vision is important while riding.
I don't think I said or implied that you did.
e-beach wrote:
Oct 13 2019 8:45pm
So I ask you this. Have you ever pulled up to an intersection, looked left to see if it is clear only to have your vision blocked by parked cars or other obstructions? Your vision won't tell you what is coming, but your ears might.
And my ears might not. I just don't go if I can't be sure. Also, since I'm on a bike I can usually see over most cars. Trucks present a bigger issue though. One of the nice things about an ebike is that stopping or nearly stopping in order to be sure the way is clear is easier to justify when you have a motor that helps getting back up to speed easier. Less temptation to do the unsafe thing and not be sure you have a safe path.
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Have you ever been on a curved part of a road where your mirror isn't showing what is behind you due to the curve? Your vision isn't going to save you, but your ears might.
No, they probably won't if you are traveling at any kind of decent speed. I deal with curved roads every day and I won't hear the rushing of the wind of a car very soon at all - so I constantly check my mirrors. If a car is coming up behind you, the important information is how they are driving. So if it is some idiot with his foot to the floor, your hearing might help warn you in that rare case. But headphones won't block that kind of noise - unless maybe its a Tesla in which case you wouldn't hear it anyway with the wind rushing in your ears.
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Have you ever been distracted by a sudden situation in front of you and suddenly there is a car horn blasting or tires screeching behind you necessitating a quick bail out maneuver to save from being hit? Where your reaction time couldn't allow for a careful check of a rear view mirror?
No. But I've had people suddenly lean on their horns right as they pass me which is super startling and caused me to reflexively tense up which momentarily reduced my bike control. Would have been better off if the sound was muted.
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As for hearing at speed, yes the faster one rides the more the rush of the wind can drown out traffic noise, but not all riders go fast all the time.
This is an ebike forum. I would expect 15 mph to be slower than typical. And at that speed, wind noise is already an issue.
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Around here, between the stop lights and stop signs I average 12 miles per hour. Not in speed, but in distance.
That makes no sense. 12 miles per hour is a speed, not a distance. That makes as much sense as me saying I went 10 miles fast.
e-beach wrote:
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There is no reason for me or any of the other thousands of e-bike riders around here to go fast because we will only be stopped down the block most of the time. At 12mph, it is very easy to hear what is coming up behind you.
Based on the posts I've read here, that kind of speed is very much slower than average. But I agree that if you are going 12 mph or so your hearing isn't affected nearly as much. Nonetheless, your eyes are still by far the most important sense you have at your disposal for riding safety.
e-beach wrote:
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IMO ones hearing is just as important as vision while riding.
OK. I'll plug my ears, put on circumaural headphones playing loud rock and roll or white noise to take my hearing completely out of the equation. You, OTOH, will have a blindfold and hood on. My safety will be virtually unaffected. You will be an accident waiting to happen. Deaf people ride bicycles. I don't think many blind people do.

Listen, if you are riding slowly in a highly congested dense area, hearing might be more of an asset to you than for me. But I don't think that situation is the more common or more general one. It certainly isn't my situation. The biggest issue with headphones and music or audio is the distraction that they might provide. I think that presents a far greater potential hazard than any reduction in the rider's ability hear road noise.

Yes, hearing can be useful. But I'll stick with my original position based on riding a bike for over fifty years. There are many things way more important than hearing if you want to ride safely.
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Post by voltaicodyssey » Oct 29 2019 4:37pm

Distracted driving is a huge issue in the public mind over the past decade regarding cell phones and smart phones / texting, which has apparently resulted in at least a 20% increase in traffic accident deaths over the past 10 years in the US.

But... there actually seems to be substantial evidence that the primary factor in distracted driving related accidents has already been with us for like 90 years, in that listening to music or the radio while driving is one of the primary causes of traffic accidents.

So if this is true for cars, I shudder to think how much more statistically dangerous it is to cycle while listening to music, an audio book, or anything else, rather than simply focusing on the environment.

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Post by LeftieBiker » Oct 30 2019 1:14am

So if this is true for cars, I shudder to think how much more statistically dangerous it is to cycle while listening to music, an audio book, or anything else, rather than simply focusing on the environment.
There is a fairly significant difference between listening to an audiobook and playing a little music at a reasonable volume. It's a little more distracting than no music, but it also can make the listener more calm and focused on driving. My brain can get pretty "noisy" with no music at all...

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Post by e-beach » Nov 05 2019 12:22am

Strongsoul wrote:
Nov 05 2019 12:09am
I have one rule for myself: I never listen to music/podcasts during cycling the road. I just can't do that when there are cars all around me. Moreover, I suppose, it's not really safe.
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Post by wturber » Nov 05 2019 2:46pm

voltaicodyssey wrote:
Oct 29 2019 4:37pm

But... there actually seems to be substantial evidence that the primary factor in distracted driving related accidents has already been with us for like 90 years, in that listening to music or the radio while driving is one of the primary causes of traffic accidents.

Wow. That's a horribly misleading use of a link within a statement. That link does not support your assertion in any significant way. The link actually points out that some music likely makes driving safer while loud music - especially loud music that you've personally chosen - can make driving a bit less safe. Nowhere does it say that music is the primary factor in driving related accidents. Perhaps you have a better reference?
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So if this is true for cars, I shudder to think how much more statistically dangerous it is to cycle while listening to music, an audio book, or anything else, rather than simply focusing on the environment.
Well, demonstrate that it's true and we can all shudder together. But I don't think it is generally true. I think music and audio can be distracting, but isn't necessarily so.
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LeftieBiker wrote:
Oct 30 2019 1:14am
So if this is true for cars, I shudder to think how much more statistically dangerous it is to cycle while listening to music, an audio book, or anything else, rather than simply focusing on the environment.
There is a fairly significant difference between listening to an audiobook and playing a little music at a reasonable volume. It's a little more distracting than no music, but it also can make the listener more calm and focused on driving. My brain can get pretty "noisy" with no music at all...
Right. The subject is actually pretty complex because human beans have pretty complex brains. I sing song's to myself to help me focus when playing in table tennis tournaments. I've also found myself completely lost in thought with no radio on while driving home and being unable to remember the details of the last few miles driven. There are very few simple, magic bean like answers that I can see.
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Post by e-beach » Nov 05 2019 7:22pm

wturber wrote:
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...... The subject is actually pretty complex because human beans have pretty complex brains. .......
Especially when they don't hear what is coming and are munched into to a "human beans" burrito by a car. :wink:
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Re: Bicycle Speakers

Post by dustNbone » Nov 05 2019 8:21pm

e-beach wrote:
Oct 13 2019 8:45pm

So how is your hearing bro? A very small part? I still call b#!!s#!%. Sorry, but that is how I see it.
It's orders of magnitude less information. If you refine it down to just useful information it's more orders of magnitude less.
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So I ask you this. Have you ever pulled up to an intersection, looked left to see if it is clear only to have your vision blocked by parked cars or other obstructions? Your vision won't tell you what is coming, but your ears might. Have you ever been on a curved part of a road where your mirror isn't showing what is behind you due to the curve? Your vision isn't going to save you, but your ears might. Have you ever been distracted by a sudden situation in front of you and suddenly there is a car horn blasting or tires screeching behind you necessitating a quick bail out maneuver to save from being hit? Where your reaction time couldn't allow for a careful check of a rear view mirror? I have had all those situations.
If you have that little information to go on, you should stop immediately. Proceeding into a blind situation because you think you're going to hear whatever danger you're suspecting might await you is bad driving. I have been in many of these situations, when I was younger and less careful. But not in my last 20+ years of regular riding/driving/walking. A sudden situation in front of me is very unlikely because I am extremely vigilant about monitoring things ahead of and around me. I'm talking hundreds maybe thousands of feet in front of me, not the tens of feet you might hope to hear something from. Being surprised by a horn or screeching tires behind you means you neglected monitoring your space.

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As for hearing at speed, yes the faster one rides the more the rush of the wind can drown out traffic noise, but not all riders go fast all the time. Around here, between the stop lights and stop signs I average 12 miles per hour. Not in speed, but in distance. There is no reason for me or any of the other thousands of e-bike riders around here to go fast because we will only be stopped down the block most of the time. At 12mph, it is very easy to hear what is coming up behind you.
Technically true, you can hear better when you're going slow. But you also have more time to see and react to things, at 12mph you should never be surprised by anything. Even a really dull brain should have ample time to process everything they need to stay safe at that speed. Stopping distance at that speed is like 2 bike lengths. So yeah it's really easy to hear things when you're going slow, it's also still much easier to see them.
e-beach wrote:
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IMO ones hearing is just as important as vision while riding.
This is just false. It's far enough from true to be a silly assertion.

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